...well, to you guys at least.
i'm a long time lurker, still a jw (for how long i don't know?
:-s) and at a bit of a crossroads.. you've probably heard the story before.
Dear Mickey Mouse,
WELCOME to the forum!! We are happy to have you here!! Many here face the same dilema as you are facing. I am sure you will get alot who respond, sharing their experiences. We hope you will stick around, as you will find most here where just as dilusioned as yourself. Myself included. Check your inbox you have a PM from me.
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
i got home from work late last night.
the brown box from amazon.com leaning against the front door.
i knew what was in it.
There it was, that most evil of books, the book that I had been warned against reading ever since I was a kid. Crisis of Conscience! I have not attended meetings for almost 10 years and still I felt like I was going to have every elder within 200 miles break down my front door and snatch the book out of my hands and throw it into my fireplace.
Dear Dorktacular,
I could relate to the above statement when I was first reading the book myself!! LOLO!! It is so... NOT, the hate filled book the Society wants you to believe it is!! It is dangerous in that it shows the organization for what it really is through the eyes of a previous "anointed one", and shows how decisions that effect thousands are really made. Certainly was a eye opener for me, the way I thought the organization was run was a figment of my imagination! It was quite enlightening, and explained alot of things that have happened and why things continue to happen that no rank and file member can explain. Let us know what you think as you get further into the book, as it may give others the courage to read it too!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
dear friends.... "happy tuesday!
" well the saga continues!
i thought we had seen the last of the elders last friday night as most have you are familiar with the story.
Dear Friends....Thank you all for such loving support!!
Dear Bonnie: Here is the link to the A.K. Grayson info. If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, you will see the supersize scans. Please let me know if you need more info.
Dear Newbiedoobiedoo: WELCOME to the forum!! Sounds like you have had it with their share of B.S. as well!! Good for you for sticking up to them! I appreciate you sharing your story..together we can all become a mighty force! Again welcome!!
Dear Billy: I cannot think of a single sister that would give me the time of day even now, BEFORE the D'Fing announcement! We were labeled apostates 2 years ago, and come to find out the elders told us the other night when they were here, that after we sent out those 200 letters, so many were aproaching them they had to give a marking talk. Mind you THEY were the very ones who suggested we CALL everyone to clear up any rumors. Instead...we wrote letters..they weren't expecting that!! So when we did contact those who had heard the rumor and gossip, they give a marking talk to punish us for it!! Go figure!! It's because we put their ass in the hot seat! We applied MAtthew alright, but it was in the form of a letter!! BASTARDS!! (excuse my french!) So unfortunately, no one will give us the time of day. But your senario did sound tempting!!
Dear Lesterd: Thank you for your D'A suggestion!! I REALLY liked it!! And may very well use it if I decide to write a D'A letter.
Dear Cold Creek Swimmer: Boy...you sure had me scared for a second!!!! NOT!!!!! LOLOLO!! Yes I am sure you will hear shortely!! My how gossip loves traveling!! HA HA HA!! Hang in there!! There are many here living in simular shoes! You never ever know what may trigger a moment of independent thinking!! Just be ready!!
Love all you guys here on the forum!! Thanks again for all your PMs, phone calls, and GIFTS!! ( The best kind of gifts...the kind that is going to blow the elders away!!) I will keep you all posted!!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
i don't know about the rest of you more seasoned posters here, but i believe jwd is really becoming a welcoming haven for people leaving the jehovah's witnesses , and we are really seeing some great quality posters among newbies coming on the board.
so, i just want to say to all of you who have joined the last few months , we love your input , you have great takes , and keep your thoughts coming !
WELCOME all newbies!!! We are thrilled to have you here!! You will find you are not alone, and you are not crazy with the doubts you probably are having! We have all had them too, and have all found the truth about the "truth"!! If you are doing research and are looking for any literature scans, please just ask, as there is a wealth of knowlege and information here. If you need something, just ask, and someone will come up with what you need!!
Keep your posts coming! There is nothing to be afraid of!!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
well, towards the end of 2007, my life is really basically very good !
i have a lot to be thankful for, a wonderful wife , great son , a good place to live in the mountains , and great animals on our property , a peaceful life .
just one big void still there in my life , my jw daughters have frozen me out of their lives .
Dear Flipper,
(((HUGS))!! I think it is a great idea. Never give up hope! My parents left the borg 2 years before I did. During those two years it was the most gut wreching time of my life. We were always very close and they were the pillars in my life. But suddenly I found myself convinced that they were apostates, although I never really gave them a opportunity to prove to me what they were saying was true.
My mother reminds me to this day of the time she was trying to get me to read a scripture and I put my hands over both ears and said," I don't want to hear it mom". She couldn't believe I was too afraid to even read a scripture. We laugh about it now, and I tell my parents, they just trained me too well!n I still have alot of guilt for ever doubting the two people who I should trusted the most in this world!!
Your daughters love and miss you, be assured of that! It is just that they are fighting not only the brain washing of a cult, but it sounds like they are also fighting the brain washing of your ex wife. A double whamey. I am so greatful my parents didn't push me, but let me come to the truth about the truth on my own. Although I have to say, when I started to have questions some of the things they had told me can flooding back. So I was greatful I could finally break free of my fears and once again resume the close relationship we had always had.
I never cut them off, but we definately were not close those 2 years. I resent that now, that those years are lost, because I let mere men dictate to me how I should be treating my parents. And no doubt your daughters will one day wake up and feel the same. You raised them the best way you thought for them at the time, so don't blame yourself. When their hearts are ready for truth, they will see it. Until then, more power to you, hang in there! They love you too, I am sure of that! They are just very scared.
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
dear friends.... "happy tuesday!
" well the saga continues!
i thought we had seen the last of the elders last friday night as most have you are familiar with the story.
Dear Bonnie..
No, it is I who am really tired!! It was a couple of years ago..the date effects 607 but was actually talking about the battle of Charchemish (spelling) which throws everything off by the 19-20 years that are between 605 and 624. So I am sorry for the confusion, but it still makes the point in A.K. Graysons book in the preface. Here is my comments from my original findings. I just bumped the thread to the top.
O.K. Everyone,
Here are the scanned copies I promised I would post. Thanks to my WONDERFUL husband, he made it all possible, as he is a computer whiz! These copies show the out and out deception on the part of the organization. Once again, we find proof of them misquoting different scholars in order for the organization to appear to have credentials for proof of their date system. If I never checked their date out and never had any reason to doubt them, then I would have never have seen the deception. Hope someone will benefit from these as much as we have.
See scanned copy of Insight Book page 480, which reads :
In this his accession year he returned to Hattu, and "in the month Shebat [January-February, 624 B.C.E.] he took the vast booty of Hattu to Babylon." (AssyrianandBabylonianChronicles, by A. K. Grayson, 1975, p. 100)
Now look at the actual scanned page from this very book I checked out from the library. Page 100 Notice there is NO date!! Look closer at the Insight Book Scan. In brackets they insert the date 624 B.C.E. inside the quotation marks. Clearly anyone reading this would never question that the date 624 B.C.E. was actually the date given by this renouned scholar.
Then, lets look at scanned page 19 from this same book. Notice what date A.K. Grayson DOES give: 605 B.C.E. NOT 624 B.C.E.!!! Interesting that the Society has to alter the Battle of Carchemishs dates because they have changed the date of the destruction of Jerusalem.
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
dear friends.... "happy tuesday!
" well the saga continues!
i thought we had seen the last of the elders last friday night as most have you are familiar with the story.
What is the name of the book the Society quoted for 607? I'd like to get a copy of those pages for my family who swears the Society is right about one thing .... 607.
Dear Skeeter,
The name of the book is entitled, Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles by A.K. Grayson. I went to the library hoping they would have it but they didn't. However, they did locate it at a University and sent off for it. 2 weeks later I had it. I just bumped the thread where I posted it to the top of the forum. Initially the scans were so tiny you couldn't read it. But on the 2nd or so pages of the thread, I was able to supersize it! LOLO!!
Let me know if you need anything else!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
here are the scanned copies i promised i would post.
thanks to my wonderful husband, he made it all possible, as he is a computer whiz!
these copies show the out and out deception on the part of the organization.
Dear Friends,
In light of the recent elder visit and my refering to this book, several are asking me about it so I decided to bump it to the top.
SIncerely,
Lady Liberty
hello dear friends.... well..the saga continues!!
as many of you know last new years the jws attacked our "frosty" and egged our home.
" the co said, "so you are both not willing to meet with the elders..?".
Only in the watchtower society can someone think that santa claus and frosty the snowman are more evil than pedophiles, and need to be cleaned out of the congregation.
W
Dear Finally-Free,
What a profound statement!! I think I will be making this statement in myh letter to the CO and elders!! Thank you!!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
dear friends.... "happy tuesday!
" well the saga continues!
i thought we had seen the last of the elders last friday night as most have you are familiar with the story.
Dear LegalChickie,
WELCOME to the forum!! Thank you for your kind comments!
Sincerely,
Lady Liberty
